herdofturtles: (Default)

The Imitative Art of Poetry




Overview:
Plato mentored Aristotle, but their philosophies on art slightly diverge. Plato observes that the imitative arts have the greatest capacity to lie, and therefore all imitative art must be carefully measured. The greatest imitative arts are the closest to reality, and the truest depictions of what they imitate. According to Aristotle, though, the greatest art finishes what nature cannot finish, and perfects reality, thus reaching beyond nature into the good or the idea, which is more pure than the material physical. In both cases the ideal pre-exists the art.


Book X | The Republic | Plato

“All poetical imitations are ruinous to the understanding of the hearers, and the knowledge of their true nature is the only antidote to them.”

“There are many ways in which the feat might be quickly and easily accomplished, none quicker than that of turning a mirror round and round—you would soon enough make the sun and the heavens, and the earth and yourself, and other animals and plants and all other things of which we were just now speaking… and the painter too is, as I conceive, just such another—a creator of appearances, is he not?”

“The tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other imitators, he is thrice removed from the king and from the truth.”

“So, when we hear persons saying that the tragedians, and Homer, who is at their head, know all the arts and all things human, virtue as well as vice, and divine things too, for that the good poet cannot compose well unless he knows his subject, and that he who has not this knowledge can never be a poet, we ought to consider wether here also there may not be a similar illusion.”Read more... )
herdofturtles: (Default)
A comparison of two opposing ideas on the role of Originality in art and writing.

Tolkien on Recovery, Escape, Consolation:



Originality is in a Timeless Theme:

It is easy for the student to feel that with all his labour he is collecting only a few leaves, many of them now torn or decayed, from the countless foliage of the Tree of Tales, with which the Forest of Days is carpeted. It seems vain to add to the litter. Who can design a new leaf? The patterns from bud to unfolding, and the colours from spring to autumn were all discovered by men long ago. But that is not true. The seed of the tree can be replanted in almost any soil, even in one so smoke-ridden (as Lang said) as that of England.
Read more... )
herdofturtles: (Default)

Art and Beauty According to Plato



Four Themes

  1. Prophetic : Techne, or the generic idea of art

  2. Initiatory : the mimesis of art

  3. Poetic : the poetic inspiration

  4. Erotic : madness and its connection to beauty



Artists measure the ability to achieve their ends

  • proper length of speech

  • proper proportion of a painting

  • proper distributions of functions in society

  • proper organisation of language in a poem



The highest art is that of the Divine maker
Arts are performed as imitations of external orders of existence, there is true imitation (eikastike) and false imitation (phantastike).

Divinity, according to Plato, is the highest degree of all measurable things exemplified in one immobile being. All things are put into motion by the divine being, but the divine being is put into motion by nothing. The more perfect a thing becomes, the further from earth it will be.



The poet is inspired by divinity
Man cannot raise himself to the genuinely poetic without divine assistance.
herdofturtles: (Default)

Historical Background:



After the incorporating union of 1707 and the battle of Culloden moor, Scottish philosophers formed a new highly influential middle class in the United Kingdom which decided the popular thought of the following centuries. In part a reaction to the mentioned events, the Scottish enlightenment philosophers set out to rethink social cohesion and what makes a society—and as a base for two opposing modes of thought stood Hobbes and Pufendorf. Hobbes broke the traditional view of Natural Law while Pufendorf defended Natural Law. In the end, Hobbes successfully influenced the debate of the 18th century and informed the following centuries in Europe.Read more... )

Profile

herdofturtles: (Default)
herdofturtles

April 2025

M T W T F S S
  123456
78910111213
14151617181920
21222324252627
282930    

Syndicate

RSS Atom

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated 13/6/25 19:39
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios